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		<title>By: Our Day in Court : Part Three &#171; The e-Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-5073</link>
		<dc:creator>Our Day in Court : Part Three &#171; The e-Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can listen to the recording, and check out my spin on Part One and Part Two. This time the session came in two halves. In Fit the First we had operations guys [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Our Day in Court : Part two &#171; The e-Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-5035</link>
		<dc:creator>Our Day in Court : Part two &#171; The e-Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can listen to the live recording of the proceedings. I reported on the first session here, and you can find the transcript [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Anonymous Physicist</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-4917</link>
		<dc:creator>The Anonymous Physicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on with your analysis. You know, I was curious why no-one took up on the FEC steal before. It looks like a standard Govt. policy - give more on one side whilst simutaneously taking it back elsewhere, and then telling everyone only the upside. What else would you expect? Watch the lady indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on with your analysis. You know, I was curious why no-one took up on the FEC steal before. It looks like a standard Govt. policy &#8211; give more on one side whilst simutaneously taking it back elsewhere, and then telling everyone only the upside. What else would you expect? Watch the lady indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: andyxl</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-4898</link>
		<dc:creator>andyxl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s neat. Before you all get too excited, I don&#039;t think this is really Keith...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s neat. Before you all get too excited, I don&#8217;t think this is really Keith&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: K. Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cut local needy scientific cash. Logic? None.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cut local needy scientific cash. Logic? None.</p>
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		<title>By: andyxl</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-4896</link>
		<dc:creator>andyxl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. the Congo bit is a tad abritrary ...</description>
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		<title>By: consultation &#62; /dev/null</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-4894</link>
		<dc:creator>consultation &#62; /dev/null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Science and Technology Facilities Council&quot; is an anagram of &quot;Filthy Science Cancellation Suicide Congo&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Science and Technology Facilities Council&#8221; is an anagram of &#8220;Filthy Science Cancellation Suicide Congo&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ian smail</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-4892</link>
		<dc:creator>ian smail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andy: i&#039;m still trying to understand the purpose of the &quot;new&quot; STFC.  

the increased focus on KE/outreach is all very well - but the UK doesn&#039;t really need to pay subscriptions to ESO/ESA/etc to reap the attendent modest KE gains - the reason the UK paid these subscriptions was to exploit those facilities for fundamental science.

so where is the focus on science exploitation of all our facilities in the new strategy?  i guess it should have been obvious when they forgot to include an &quot;R&quot; (as in Research) in STFC - but science exploitation by the STFC community doesn&#039;t appear to be a priority in the new plan (otherwise why are we cutting back the grants quite so excessively). STFC is simply going to be relegated to being a support organisation for MRC/EPSRC-funded researchers - and that doesn&#039;t seem a sustainable strategy.  

i agree that FEC is also eating into the science exploitation budget.  there is no downward pressure on costs from the universities - and so as a result these are ballooning.  a rough estimate suggests that they soaked up 20% more of the grants line this year than was anticipated - and that&#039;s before we have to apply a 25% cut.  so the claim that the number of PDRAs will only drop by ~10% by the end of the CSR is fantasy - its going to be more like ~40% (assuming of course that the 25% cuts get applied in 2009/2010 - and aren&#039;t scaled back when it becomes apparent the damage they&#039;re doing).  this will obviously have a very dramatic impact on our ability to lead the exploitation of ESO/ESA/etc - no doubt raising questions at the next CSR of why we&#039;re paying for these facilities if we don&#039;t have anyone to exploit them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andy: i&#8217;m still trying to understand the purpose of the &#8220;new&#8221; STFC.  </p>
<p>the increased focus on KE/outreach is all very well &#8211; but the UK doesn&#8217;t really need to pay subscriptions to ESO/ESA/etc to reap the attendent modest KE gains &#8211; the reason the UK paid these subscriptions was to exploit those facilities for fundamental science.</p>
<p>so where is the focus on science exploitation of all our facilities in the new strategy?  i guess it should have been obvious when they forgot to include an &#8220;R&#8221; (as in Research) in STFC &#8211; but science exploitation by the STFC community doesn&#8217;t appear to be a priority in the new plan (otherwise why are we cutting back the grants quite so excessively). STFC is simply going to be relegated to being a support organisation for MRC/EPSRC-funded researchers &#8211; and that doesn&#8217;t seem a sustainable strategy.  </p>
<p>i agree that FEC is also eating into the science exploitation budget.  there is no downward pressure on costs from the universities &#8211; and so as a result these are ballooning.  a rough estimate suggests that they soaked up 20% more of the grants line this year than was anticipated &#8211; and that&#8217;s before we have to apply a 25% cut.  so the claim that the number of PDRAs will only drop by ~10% by the end of the CSR is fantasy &#8211; its going to be more like ~40% (assuming of course that the 25% cuts get applied in 2009/2010 &#8211; and aren&#8217;t scaled back when it becomes apparent the damage they&#8217;re doing).  this will obviously have a very dramatic impact on our ability to lead the exploitation of ESO/ESA/etc &#8211; no doubt raising questions at the next CSR of why we&#8217;re paying for these facilities if we don&#8217;t have anyone to exploit them?</p>
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		<title>By: andyxl</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyxl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UKRIP : given the way STFC is constituted, there is nothing inappropriate about there being cross-representation with the major facilities it pays for. Richard Wade is also President of ESO Council - is that wrong too ? I would actually be worried if there were not such cross-representation. It would be suggesting they didn&#039;t care.

However, one could make the case that it would be healthier if the facilities and labs were clearly distinct from the agency, just as University groups are, and made peer reviewed bids for support. This is certainly one suggestion I will make to the Wakeham review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UKRIP : given the way STFC is constituted, there is nothing inappropriate about there being cross-representation with the major facilities it pays for. Richard Wade is also President of ESO Council &#8211; is that wrong too ? I would actually be worried if there were not such cross-representation. It would be suggesting they didn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>However, one could make the case that it would be healthier if the facilities and labs were clearly distinct from the agency, just as University groups are, and made peer reviewed bids for support. This is certainly one suggestion I will make to the Wakeham review.</p>
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		<title>By: Another anonymous physicist</title>
		<link>http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/our-day-in-court/#comment-4882</link>
		<dc:creator>Another anonymous physicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry UKPRIP, Whitehouse has never stuck up for Daresbury yet. And Mason has just sold us down the river. 

As for the Diamond people - now that&#039;s a different matter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry UKPRIP, Whitehouse has never stuck up for Daresbury yet. And Mason has just sold us down the river. </p>
<p>As for the Diamond people &#8211; now that&#8217;s a different matter&#8230;</p>
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